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Got some problems coming, Yellowing of the plant only lower stuff only but it's on all the plants so looks like it's something to-do with the nutes.

I'm on week 6 of flowering, Coco buds are very small and the Mapito buds are hard and dense. 

7 hours ago, Wietefras said:

There is a lot of sulfur in Brown too, so does it make sense to use Epsom salts for magnesium?

What would toy suggest? Or just leave it ?

Here is some photo's of the plants, Mapito on is in the middle can see the size difference in Buds from Coco. 

Once the lights are on I will take a look at the tank and see if it's fine. 

5 hours ago, Fatamorgana said:

I only add some extra magnesium week 3 4 5.

There is plenty of calcium in calcinit, really allot;p

Espom salts - Week 3,4,5 of flowering or VEG?

1 hour ago, Fatamorgana said:

I also use calcinit first and then brown dont have that problem tho.

They are both dissolved i gues which one is first shouldnt really matter i think, because one of the 2 isnt a concentrate anymore,and the other in a bit also not anymore?

So far I've not had the problems that I was having, plants seem to like it no issues yet.  

4 hours ago, Twiet said:

And I believe it is important to first mix the A stock solution in your tank and only after that mix in the B stock solution.

A has to be Brown and B has to be the calcinit.

Because if you do it the other way round, first mix in the calcinit stock solution and after that the brown stock solution you will have contact between the heavily concentrated A with the already mixed in B solution. This will cause a reaction which results in what you show in your pictures. I you mix them in in the opposite order you avoid this reaction.

In dutch that reaction is called neerslag, which is something like the magnesium and calcium reacting in such a way that they become sort of solid again.

This is the reason why we call them A and B, A should go in first and B second, not the other way round.

Yes, After putting in Brown first I've not had the problem so far I've made a new tank today so will keep this updated.

Thank's alot mate as I was thinking the A is calcinit and B is brown would have never thought about putting brown in first. 

15 hours ago, lostchild said:

Do the same with the plant on coco (maybe once every 2 days water them) and profit from what coco has to offer.
Watering every day is not the best way to grow on coco and yes you can overwater on coco even though some may say the opposite.

100gr Yara dissolved into 1ltr of tap water is the way to go, you're not diluting enough before mixing with 200gr/ltr

mogen pas in sterk verdunde vorm gemengd

 

 

 

 

 

Coco is what I've grown in before after this run I'm making my own Mapito and going to use that. 

You are right 200g of brown in 1L is to much i've noticed some powder at the bottom of the bottle with stock solution. 

On 12/17/2018 at 8:03 PM, Fatamorgana said:

I also make a A B solution and then add it to the water.

What EC do you use?

EC at the moment is 2 - Tap water 0.6-0.7, I'm watering the Mapito and coco from the top. So this is a trail really with new Nutes and with Mapito so far so good but do have some problems with the mapito plant yellowing. But I think this is a problem with the N as I was feeding it coco nutes untill i got some of the yara, also could be a calmag issuse. After this round I'm going to be running a mapito grow 36L tubs flood and drain with Yara. 

At the moment I'm in Week 5 flower and useing 1:2 Ratio Brown (2)

I've got a question for you as you use Yara, Do I need to add calmag or something along thos lines with these nutes. 

Also the plant in Mapito has a lot harder bigger buds than the coco and the coco been getting watered every day and the Mapito plant been getting water every 3 days. 

18 hours ago, Twiet said:

No, normal tap water will do. If you want to make a very concentrated stock solution (500gr/liter) distilled water probable allows to put more salt in the stock solution. But I don't know this for sure, I'm not a chemist.

Let's wait and see what it looks like tomorrow.

Update look's like adding the Brown before the calcnit is working. I will get some photo;s up for people to see tonight

1 hour ago, Wietefras said:

I'm pretty sure Racker uses a separate A and B stock solution and then mixes those into the water.

You can barely dissolve 100g of brown in a liter of water. Let alone that you can add a 100g of Calcinit and have no reaction between the two.

So I've got a Tank of 36L i then have A 1L and B 1L I mix into the 36L tank. 

I've also got 200g of each in 1L of water.

9 hours ago, Fatamorgana said:

You can't mix them in pure form if you want to have a decent uptake from the nutrients.

Phosforus will break down the calcium in your mix.

Iam using it also and i dont have this problem.

 

What I've got is 1l of Calcnit and 1L of brown - 200G PER A L, I mix part A then add part B into the watering tank, Is this how you do it? 

Also @Twiet I've used disstiled water this round but next I'll just use Tap water.

13 hours ago, lostchild said:

YaraLiva CALCINIT en YaraTera KRISTALON Brown moeten in afzonderlijke bakken opgelost worden en mogen pas in sterk verdunde vorm gemengd worden. 

Your mixing them in 1 bin hence the reaction you get afterwards.

Why 15C water? Between 18-20 makes mixing so much easier.

 

 

Yes, I seen that but Racker use to use this mix and he had a dosing pump so must be able to mix it into same tank? Other wise How would one use a 2 tank system ?

14 hours ago, Twiet said:

Have you tried to do the mix the other way round, i.e. brown first and calcinit second?

This batch I've mixed the Brown First and then the Calcinit we will see what it looks like after tonight. 

This was made of 100g in 1L of water.

So a small update  

I've filled the tank up with 36l of 15c water, Added Calcinit let the pump mix it around for 20-30mins and then added Brown in and then let them mix for some time. Now it's fine for me to use right away but here are some of the photo's I've got today after just one day after me making the tank. 

think I'm also dissolving the powder into the stock solution to quick. I'm going to make a new batch up with distilled water but take longer to dissolve it.  

34 minutes ago, lostchild said:

How do you 'mix' the nutes in the water bin?

Maybe you need to 'stir' a little more before adding the next component otherwise they will react on each other in a big way.

Happens with every A&B nutrient, it's not exclusive to powder nutes

 

Ok, Thank you. Maybe this is the case as I will stir a little then mix the B - I will mix A in then let pump run for 30mins then mix B in. 

I've also done a little experiment with A solution and left it in a glass and to me it seem's like its falling out of solution as at the bottom there is the calcinit. Once I've found out what it is I will post here. 

See the brown stuff I think that is the KB and the white stuff is got to be calcinit

I would love to keep using this as you know with big tanks 1,000L this could become expensive even with the cheap Nutes about, This stuff I can get cheap cheap 25kg sacks.

Here are some photo's, Thank you. 

https://www.wietforum.nl/gallery/image/660981-xyz-1jpg/

5 minutes ago, greentjeonatrip said:

https://www.yara.nl/gewasvoeding/meststoffen/yaratera/yaratera-kristalon-brown/

YaraLiva CALCINIT and YaraTera KRISTALON Brown must be dissolved in separate containers and must only be mixed in a very diluted form.

 

Maybe the proportions are still too heavy ?

I've seen this but racker from here use's it and he has 1KG in 10L of solution. I'm new to this and my plants seem to be loving it but I think I will have problems with im scaled up and in VEG as I think it's the CALCINIT falling out.

Not sure How I would use both no in the same tank if that's the case I'm going to get rid of it as that wouldn't work for me.

On 12/8/2018 at 8:24 PM, Twiet said:

Nee, je ec zal niet meetbaar hoger worden door het gebruik van een liter kraan- ipv demiwater voor je basis-oplossing.

Wat gebruik je in je A en wat in je B, en hoeveel gram van elk per liter basis-oplossing?

Wat voor rare dingen zie je op het water?

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No, your ec will not be measurably higher just because of using a liter of tap- instead of demiwater for your stock solution.

What do you use in your A and what in your B, and how many grams of each per liter of stock?

What funny things you see on the water?

At the moment what is happening  if I leave the my tank for a few days with a pump in there on 24/7 only a small pump 1,000LPH

I see what I think is a layer of small flat crystals on the top of the water when you put a light over it they shine and sometimes on the side there white residue , I think it's the calcinit falling out of the solution I add. Could this be not sure what is is as the solution in the bottle's are fine Just when I add it to my tank to get it to my EC I want. 

I mix Calcinit first give a good stir and then the KB after. 

I use 100g of calcinit to 1l of water and 100G of KRISTALON brown to 1L of water. 

Could i just use tap water to make stock solution 1l of tap water to 100g of each etc...? 

I will try and get some photo's, 

38 minutes ago, lostchild said:

This might be the source of your problem?

Why do you use 'dead' water instead of regular tap?

Yes, I was thinking that as-well. 

I make a stock solution then put with in the tank to bring the EC to where I want it, Or do you mean I could get a bottle of tap water and make stock solution out of that but then this would make my EC high?

100G TO 1 L I use.